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Here are all the questions and answers from 10/24/02
through 01/29/03. The list is in order of date.
The most recent questions are towards the bottom
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Asked by University of Utah in Salt Lake City,
UT on 10/24/2002 10:48:23 AM.
Q. Hi, I am graduate student
in biochemistry and I am very much interested
in your project. I would like to know if there
are opportunities for independent projects that
I could participate in. Sincerely, Radu Mihaila
A. Hi Radu, Your primary source
of information should be your university and your
advisor. He/She is likely aware of projects going
on that could be of interest to you. I am not
sure of what you mean by "independent projects".
If you could clarify? Thanks! - Nathalie
Asked by Mr. Shwardt's 10th grade class at Shasta
High School in Redding , Ca on 10/24/2002 8:24:05
AM.
Q. Because you have kids did it make this expedition
harder to go on?
A. It was very difficult to be away from my family.
With young kids at home, it is difficult to convey
to them what you are doing and when you will be
home. They expect that you will be home in a few
days, but then realize that we are out for quite
a bit longer than that.
Q. If so whats going to be the first thing your
going to do with your family when you get home?
A. I spent a long time just sitting and being
with them. It was a grand home coming for me.
Asked on 10-28-02.
Q. What do you do if someone gets sick?
A. Our plan is to use medication for AMS (Acute
Mountain Sickness) and a med kit for other injuries
such as sprain ankles and minor injuries. If it
is serious enough we will call the refuge on a
radio and arrange medical transport off the mountain.
Asked by a Mt. Shasta classroom on 10-28-02.
Q. How does the mountain there
have similarities and differences from other volcanoes?
A. The uniqueness of Licancabur has a lake on
top for starters, and our base camp is at an elevation
that is as high as Mt Shasta! Licancabur is a
pure symmetrical cone (Andesitic). The lake on
top puts it in a very unique category.
Asked on 10-28-02.
Answered specifically by Andy
Hock
Q. What specific info have you
gathered with Bonnie and Clyde?
A. It’s been challenging so far, because
they have been designed for underwater deployment
not shallow water deployment. We have received
good heat flux measurements at Laguna Blanca and
a great heat flux measurements at the thermal
pools. (Heat flux is the quantity of heat passing
through an area and can be measured as a rate—Watts/Meter
squared for example) This is detectable by the
human body, such as moving your hand toward a
heat source.
Asked on 10-28-02.
Q. How many of your team has been on a volcano
before?
A. All of us have—The list of volcanoes
is: Mt. Lassen, Mt. Shasta, Tres Cumbres, Juriques,
Licancabur, Cinder Cone, Puy-de-Dome (and many
others in the center of France), Cotopaxi, Fujiyama,
Indonesian volcanoes, Osorno, Billarica, Santarini,
and Mauna Loa.
Asked on 10-28-02.
Q. Since the snow, has this changed the type
of experiments you are doing?
A. It has shifted our schedule, but we haven’t
changed any of our experiments, just the order
of when we will do them. We still plan to complete
all of our objectives.
Asked on 10-28-02.
Q. I've noticed that you have had difficulty
transmitting and the you mention it is difficult
to hold a charge in your batteries. How ARE you
charging your computer batteries?
A. That is a great question--Because
of the cold, and the specialty of the communication
equipment, we cannot just put any battery into
these devices. Other items, such as radios and
science equipment use regular batteries, so that
has not been a problem. With the Satellite phone,
the digital camera, and the laptop, we have been
trying to use a solar panel to charge. Other options
we have used include: Car batteries, a generator,
and when possible, we try to go to San Pedro to
charge in a regular outlet. The San Pedro option
though, is only used as a last resort because
we have to travel 3 hours to get there, and we
have to go back through Chilean customs which
can take a while.
Asked by Mrs. Germano's 11th grade class at
Bishop Quinn in Palo Cedro, Ca on 10/31/2002 8:49:14
AM.
Q. What are the different Vaccinations
that the Hikers needed before they went to chile?
A. The suggestion was for us
to be current on all of our regular vaccinations
(Tetnus, Small pox) and we also had to recieve
vaccinations for Hepatitus A, B, Typhoid, and
for some and Influenza shot.
Asked on 10/31/2002
Q. How much do you guys get
paid? If you don't det paid then what would you
guys get exept getting to go up there and study?
A. Answered by each team member:
Nathalie--First,
you have to write a proposal, and usually that
is all it takes for the funding of a trip such
as this. But you always end up working more than
what the money can pay. We all feel though it
is much more than that. The gain of scientific
knowledge, the passion for what you love to do
and the excitement is beyond comparison.
David Fike--My
expenses are usually covered, but I am given the
opportunity to do such and exciting thing. My
major motivation is: To Explore and Learn.
Andy Hock--Just
looking a tthe place we are doing what we are
doing is such a rich expereince. I have to say
this is an experience I would simply volounteer
to do.
Lorena--I have
gained so much experience from this expedition.
This is an opportunity to do more research.
Marc--I enjoy
the pursuit of knowledge. "Science is discipline
pursured with passion. Art is passion pursued
with discipline."
Edmond--When we
get back, we will be extremely rich with experience.
We work together in an extreme environment and
this is priceless.
Christian--The
people must understand that sometimes we must
work for more than money. It is for passion, knowledge,
experience, and meeting new friends. We have the
opportunity to learn more about each other and
how to work together as a team.
Asked on 10/31/2002
Q. Is it fun to hike that high
and study all that stuff?
A. This environment is a great
place to study the rich biology. For example,
the flamingos in the morning are standing it the
Lagunas that have patches of frozen ice all around...how
can this be? The algae at the edge of the lakes
also freezes solid, but by mid day it is thawed
out and begins to photosynthesize. These are just
a couple examples of what the life can endure
here.
Asked by Mrs. Germano's 11th grade class at Bishop
Quinn in Palo Cedro, Ca on 10/31/2002 8:54:23
AM.
Q. Do you think we will ever colonize on Mars?
What restrictions will apply?
A. Knowing the Human nature, I have absolutely
no doubt that this will happen. When is another
question. Technologically, we are very close of
being capable of sending human to Mars. I believe
that in the 12-15 coming years, there will be
a scientific base on Mars, a bit like Antarctica.
If this is what you mean by colonization, then
this is my prediction. Crews will be replaced
and shifts will happen as for the Austral base.
Now, if colonization means humans living permanently
there, I think it will take longer, possibly ~100
years. Still, it is very close in time now. I
am not sure about what you intend when you speak
about restrictions: are they regarding the people
who want to go there or about the local environment?
In the former case, people will have to be in
good physical shape to endure the travel and also
accept to live in confined areas. No outdoor activities
without a suit•and Earth will be just a
tiny blue dot in the sky. No turning back! Now,
we still need to understand what the Martian environment
is about. We hope that it won't be the case but
it is still in the realm of possibilities that
something in the Martian environment (e.g., dust)
might be poisonous for humans. I do not think
it would prevent forever human colonization but
it might delay it significantly until we find
a solution.
Q. What made the research team choose a natural
environment over an artificial more controlled
one?
A. Nature is the best lab in the world, the most
complicated too. You are right on that point.
The summit lake of Licancabur is an environment
that needs to be characterized. Once we will have
identify all the paramaters, we will be able to
reconstruct them in the lab and make them vary.
Asked by Mrs. Guerrero's 7th grade class at O.L.G.A.
in Calexico, Cal. on 11/2/2002 5:14:28 PM
Q. How big is the Lago Titicaca?
A. Lake Titicaca is 180 km x 80 km. It is the
largest and highest navigable lake at 3810 m but
it is not the highest lake on Earth. Licancabur
holds that record.
Asked by Ms. De Anda's 7th grade class at Our
Lady of Guadalupe Academy in Calexico, California
on 11/2/2002 5:19:38 PM.
Q. Why the lakes did'n have salt water?
A. Let me tell you that some lakes have actually
plenty of salt in their waters! That was the case
of Laguna Verde at the foot of Licancabur. I had
the good fortune to make a wrong maneuver when
diving and I swallow a large quantity of water.
It was much saltier than the average ocean waters.
These lakes are evaporating so salts are precipitating
and they are really salty.
Asked by Spencer 's 7th grade class at Anderson
middle school in Anderson, CA on 11/4/2002 9:53:58
AM.
Q. Do you guys see any wild animals like rattle
snakes or mountain lions if you so have you been
chase by anything?
A. The only 'wild' thing we saw is fairly gentle.
We have seen Vizcachas (small mammals that resemble
a cross between a rabbit and a kangaroo), Flamingos,
varieties of birds, llamas, and alpacas (smaller
than llamas)
Asked by Mrs. Walden's 4th grade class at Grant
Elementary in Redding, CA on 11/5/2002 12:51:46
PM.
Q. Do you expect to find any new species? If
you do, would you get to name it?
A. The interesting aspect of this lake is that
it is isolated from the other lower lakes, at
least it seems to be. Potential communication
ways are still the atmosphere and possibly underground
water system. However, it is safe to say that
the summit lake is more isolated than the others.
In this configuration, species tend to evolve
on their own. It is possible that we will observe
new species or modifications of known species.
If this is the case, of course, biologists will
give them names.
Asked by Missy Dunetz's 10th grade class at Hayfork
High School in Hayfork, California on 11/7/2002
11:31:17 AM.
Q. Um.... that "lake" looks more like
a puddle. Is it in the middle of the dry season
or something?
A. The summit lake is far from
being a puddle. Its dimensions are: 100 m x 90
m. The reason you have this impression is because
the photograph shown on the web was taken from
the crater summit rim which is a bit more than
150 m above the lake. We actually had a lot of
fun running towards the lake from the summit (the
way back was another story)
Asked by Mrs. King's 8th grade class at Vista
Middle School in Red Bluff, CA on 12/18/2002 10:00:25.
These questions were answered by Edmond
Grin.
Q. How thick was the part of the lake that was
frozen?
A. During our expedition the lake was not frozen.
The temperature of the water was about 6 degree
Celsius (45 deg F). The air temperature was very
cold. The wind over the lake was very chilly and
icy about minus 15 deg Celsius (5 deg F). We think
that the water was at a temperature about freezing
by the possible action of heat release by the
crater of the volcano and may be by the strong
Ultraviolet radiations of the summer sun. In the
winter of the south hemisphere the lake is frozen.
The thickness of the ice sheet about 80 centimeters
during the previous expeditions in the last 5
and 10 years. The lake is frozen in winter.
Q. Would you ever want to live there?
A. The Atacama desert and the
Licancabur are gorgeous place to live . If I have
to live in the Atacama Desert I will choose to
live in the nice oasis of San Pedro and explore
the region as a geologist, or as an anthropologist,
or as an historian, or as an artist. I will be
very, very busy with a lot to discover. We can
live every where if we have a project for the
life and interest in every things of the nature
and humane.
Q. How long did it take to hike to the top of
the mountain from the base camp?
A. Going quite slow to acclimate our self to
the low oxygen of the air at high altitude, the
ascent can be of about 6 to 8 hours. The important
is to win and be at the top in safety conditions
and to have time to go down. The good mountaineering
technique is to start very early at 4 pm at least
to have a long day for safety climbing
Q. When you went to Licancabur was there a high
death risk?
A. Mountaineering is always risky. In summer
time when we were on the slope the risk was the
poor stability of the rocks. A fallen rock is
a permanent risk. You can be injured, have a broken
leg or less an ankle distort. We have helmet.
The death accident is a part of mountaineering.
This is a very serious sport at any time and any
place
Q. Was it hard to breathe when
you were on the top of the mountain?
A. Yes. This is the main stress.
The higher you are the less is the oxygen content
and the air pressure which about half of the oxygen
and pressure where we live usually. We need a
good training to breath at high altitude. We all
succeed to the top without oxygen help from bottles
because we train ourselves during three weeks
at altitude.
Q. How big is the area you studied in square
miles?
A. The study of the geology
and lake area was of 150 sq miles
Q. When was the last time the volcano erupted?
A. The last eruption is not recorded. It could
be estimated to be in geologic time about one
million year ago. The Lazcar volcano at 40 kilometers
from the Licancabur has erupted recently in1989.
Many volcanos are still active in the region of
Atacama.
Q. Do you want to go to Mars now that you have
done the experiment?
A. Yes. This experiment was conduct in a extreme
environment quite similar to Mars. The air of
Mars in not breathable and there no surface water
like the Laguna. But we will understand what the
ancient environment was when it was water and
another climate then today. This is the goal of
the Licancabur expedition to help the further
scientists on Mars
Q. How much money did it cost to go?
A. It will cost to you an air
ticket from San Francisco to Antofagasta about
$ 1300 plus local transportation about $ 200 plus
hotel $ 200 a week plus food $ 100. Have a good
trip. See you same where in a dream today that
become reality later. Good luck
Q. Why did the Colorado River make the Grand
Canyon and the Mississippi river form no canyons?
A. The Colorado River has excavated its bed on
an much higher ancient flat land where he makes
many meanders like the Mississippi river has done
on the flat land. They made meanders because the
slope is gentle and they take time to go down
the slope to loose their energy. The flat land
of the ancient Colorado was progressively raised
by the tectonic plates which is due by the push
of the raising Rocky Mountains. The course of
the river on the primitive flat land has not been
change but the final altitude of the point of
escape of the river in the ocean remain at the
same altitude during the raising of the Colorado
plain. So the river has to excavate its bed to
evacuate the water down to the ocean level by
using the best economic slope along its course.
The flat land between the Rocky and the Appalachian
mountains is stable so the Mississippi outlet
in the ocean is always at the same elevation and
the river slope is very low between the source
and the outlet in the ocean. The river makes as
the Colorado a lot of meanders to loose its energy
to flow right on the surface of the plain where
its produce catastrophic inundations. Good question.
Q. Do you want to be a scientist all of your
life or do you want to do something else?
A. My name is Edmond.
I am a scientist. When I was young I was very
interesting to understand the things of the nature
around myself. Why the time was running? Why the
rivers were running? But I discover that how the
river is running was more important that why.
I am a human and not a robot and I have done many
other things like an artist painter and a sculptor.
I never ask myself if I am on the wrong way of
my life but only to do the best where I am.
Q. What inspired you to become a scientist?
A. To understand and to know the things of this
life and to discover the limit of the unknown.
I am very happy to discover that we can understand
so many things and it’s a real pleasure.
Q. What was the best part of going to Licancabur?
A. The best part was to reach the goal of the
most difficult expedition activity to be at the
summit of the volcano
Q. Would the atmosphere in Mars affect a person's
age?
A. Yes. The atmosphere of Mars is not habitable.
We need a space suit. This will affect seriously
the life of human being. The gravity is much lower
than of Earth and our body will have to adapt
using our best reserve.
Q. How did you start a fire since it was so cold
there?
A. A fire is independent if the ambient temperature.
A Xmas candle for example burns when it is frozen
outside. We use only gas to cook with any problem
Q. When we are actually able to live on Mars,
will our food choices be limited?
A. When astronauts will be on Mars they will
import from Earth with us their "cookies"
and food adapted for their mission. In the far
future we can produce our food on Mars in artificial
greenhouse.
Q. Were you happy to get back?
A. Yes to answer your questions! The expedition
was a marvelous experience. We are impatient to
return to the Atacama and to come back again to
answer new smart questions
Q. How did you dress while you were there? Did
you need special clothing?
A. Yes absolutely. The mountaineering exercise
needs special clothing to be protected from the
cold, the wind and to be designed for climbing.
We have helmets, good sunglasses to be protected
from UV radiations. Mountaineering clothing and
shoes and special gears are quite expensive and
you need a good professional advice for your choice
Asked by Mrs. King's 8th grade class at Vista
Middle School in Red Bluff, CA on 12/18/2002 10:00:25
These were answered by David
Fike.
Q. Did everyone get along during the expedition?
A. One of the most important factors that needs
to be considered in creating a
team, particularly one that will go into the field
where team members are likely to have to depend
upon each other for their lives, is how the team
members will interact. We were lucky in that most
of the team members had known each other and were
friends prior to the start of the expedition.
This proved very beneficial during the expedition,
by strengthening the bonds between team members.
While each person may have had different ideas
about how best to investigate particular scientific
questions or tackle logistical issues, our friendship
and respect for one another enabled us to work
as a team to accomplish our goals, even under
the added stress of conducting comprehensive fieldwork
on a very limited schedule in more than occasionally
adverse weather.
Q. What survival tips could you give us if I
was in that atmosphere?
A. The atmosphere wasn't technically the biggest
problem. First was cold. Second was water and
then food. But technically, at 6,000 m the air
is too thin to survive for extended periods (many
months) and I believe that anyone that decided
to live there would die. Below about 5,800m (19,000ft)
it is possible to live and be fully acclimatized.
I would recommend a regimen similar to the one
we followed: increase in elevation slowly day
by day and increasing in activity slowly as you
get acclimatized to a given elevation.
Q. What is the pressure of the water in the lake
and does it vary?
A. At the surface of the lake, the pressure is
approximately 0.4 atm, or 40% of atmospheric pressure
at sea level. The pressure varies with depth in
the same way as it does for any freshwater system,
increasing by approximately 1.0 atm every 10 m
(33 ft). Thus, water at a depth 6 m (20 ft) would
feel a pressure of 1.0 atm, equivalent to the
pressure that the water surface at sea level.
Q. How many samples of the water did you take
from the lake at the top of the mountain?
A. I brought down ten samples from the summit
lake of Licancabur: 5 samples of shallow water
near the shore; 4 samples of lake sediment from
near the shore; and 1 sample of water from deep
within the lake (which was collected by Nathalie).
Q. How did you ration out your water on your
trip?
A. While we stayed at the Refuge, we had a steady
supply of water brought from San Pedro de Atacama.
However, during the ascent of Licancabur, the
water we could bring with us was limited by the
amount of equipment that could be carried up the
mountain. We determined that it would be best
to have a minimum of 2 liters of water per person
for each day we were on the mountain - in addition
to water needed for preparing food and hot drinks
to keep us warm. On our own, we would not have
been able to bring sufficient water up the mountain.
However, we were aided by several local porters,
who enabled us to carry much more equipment up
the mountain during the ascent than would have
otherwise been possible. In addition, the porters
were able to begin bringing supplies, including
water, up the mountain in the days prior to our
ascent. Again, there was a limit to how far in
advance we could prepare: if the water stayed
more than 1 day on the mountain before we drank
it, it would freeze solid and be of no use to
us! So, it was rather complicated determining
how to ration the water.
Q. Can you walk on the lake since it is frozen?
A. While the lake was not frozen during our expedition,
it is frozen for much of the year. During an expedition
in September 1984, the lake was covered with 80
cm (2.7 ft) of ice. Not only could members of
that expedition walk on the lake, but it took
them two entire days to drill through the ice
to get at the water. We were pretty lucky!!
Q. Did you get to speak to your family while
on the expedition?
A. I was able to speak with
my family while in San Pedro de Atacama at the
beginning and end of the expedition. However,
some of the team members were able to speak with
their families during the expedition using the
satellite phone to call them directly from the
field. It was often very difficult for us to spend
so much time away from our friends and family,
but missing them so much helped us to realize
how much they really matter
to us.
Asked by Almina's 10th grade class at Gal in
Gaziantep, Turkey on 1/5/2003 7:29:15 AM.
Q. How did you find each other?
With web ways or did you meet each other?
A. The whole expedition was
coordinated through Dr.
Nathalie Cabrol. She was able to contact each
of us, from previous experience working in the
field and with other projects.
Asked by Janice Farmer's
8th grade class at Maywood Middle School in Corning,
Ca on 1/9/2003 1:23:55 PM.
Q. Did you bring back sand?
A. We did not bring back sand,
but we were able to bring back rock samples, core
samples( samples of the mud) and water samples,
which are all currently being analyzed.
Asked by Adams's 12th grade
class at Mount Calvary Christian Academy in Robbinsvill,
NC on 1/29/2003 11:21:53 AM.
Q. What country now owns Easter
Island?
A. From what I have read, Easter
Island is part of the country of Chile. For more
information you can type in Easter Island into
any search engine and get even more data about
it!
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